Gods will was for me to forgive. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. 24 Blind guides! The New Testament church should be an independent church. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. There isn't much out there on the web. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. Only the KJV will be used in this group; We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. You are correct! The membership I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin Thats not true. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. 5. I truly dont understand this one, ha! We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. Like I said, Im doing repair work. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. (2 Cor. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." Gospel Furthering Fellowship Constitution and A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. I dont see how. Its about Jesus. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). BUT, there is good news! The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. N/A Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve Whats wrong with a tract rack? If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. I didnt really say you can get drunk on grape juice but if I did, I might be a little confused. I can not forgive sins! Such as??? We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. Correction is my discernment. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 32. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Others are very much unfair criticism. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. He is the Head of the church. I was taught that. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. Does the lord convict me when I miss? Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. Read Matthew 23 for more information. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist 33. I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. I prefer Kjv! We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. 3. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. The Baptist Fundamentals and Hermeneutics We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. Praise the lord for forgiveness. I love devotions with the Lord. They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. Again its too legalistic. OMG! I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. Its the inspired word of God. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. 21. The members were so sweet to us. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. I have no opinion on this I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. God works in mysterious ways. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. 40. 1 John 1:9 Independent Baptist - RationalWiki This list are things that are unique to the IFB. We believe in the natural divisions of Scriptures as a basis for study. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
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